Holly Springs Town Council

Special Meeting

 

March 30, 2005

 

MINUTES

 

The Holly Springs Town Council met in a duly-called special meeting on Wednesday, March 30, 2005, in the dining room of Devil’s Ridge Golf Club.  Mayor Dick Sears presided, calling the meeting to order at 7 p.m.  A quorum was established as the mayor and four board members were present as the meeting opened. A quorum of the Holly Springs Planning Board also was present.

 

Council Members Present:  Councilmen Chet VanFossen, Parrish Womble, Peter Atwell and Hank Dickson, and Mayor Sears.

 

Council Members Absent: Councilman Ernie Pearson, who provided a written statement in his absence.

 

Staff Members Present:  Carl Dean, town manager; Chuck Simmons, assistant town manager; John Schifano, town attorney; Joni Powell, town clerk (taking the minutes); Gina Bobber, director of planning and zoning; Jeff Jones, planner II; Jenny Mizelle, director of economic development; and Stephanie Sudano, director of engineering.

 

Planning Board Members Present:  Chairman Vinnie DeBenedetto, Raymond Cordon, Joseph Fanjoy, Trip Belote, Deidre Brice and Joe Signoretti.

 

Planning Board Members Absent:  Lisa Martin and Matt Johnson.

 

The meeting was called by the Mayor as a joint meeting of the Planning Board and Town Council.  The stated purpose of the meeting was to clarify with the Planning Board its role in support of the Town Council and to discuss the Town’s schedule for the creation of Small Area Plans (SAPs) in designated locations, pursuant to the Land Use Element of the 10-Year Comprehensive Growth Plan and various issues as requested by the Planning Board, including improved communications.

 

            As the meeting opened, Councilman Dickson requested that it be placed on the record that he objected to the meeting site.  He said he was not comfortable holding a public meeting in a private members-only club.

 

            Councilman Atwell asked that his objection to the meeting location also be placed in the record.

 

            Councilman Atwell then began a discussion that centered around an early-February meeting of Holly Springs Planning Board Chairman Vinnie DeBenedetto and member Raymond Cordon with the Town of Apex Planning Department.

            While councilmen in attendance agreed that the resulting Planning Board presentation to the Council and enthusiasm of the Planning Board were appreciated and to be commended, the events leading up to the meeting with the Apex planners were troublesome.

            During sometimes heated discussions, the Council made it clear that it expects any representatives of a Holly Springs advisory board to follow certain professional courtesies in setting up meetings, especially those in which they intend to act as representatives of the Town.  The Council was concerned that the Apex meeting may have left an impression that was not positive for the Town, since it may have given the impression that the Town’s own planning staff was not knowledgeable about such planning tools as SAPs.

 

            Planning Board members expressed surprise at the Council’s reaction, saying the Planning Board had discussed the idea of meeting with Apex planners during the January 2005 Planning Board meeting, at which the Town of Holly Springs Planning Director was present.  Members said they did not feel they were meeting without the knowledge of the planning director.

            Ms. Bobber responded that she realized that there was discussion about a possible meeting, but the actual meeting was scheduled in the days after the Planning Board’s January meeting and she did not know that it had been scheduled until a few days later when the Apex planning director called her to ask her questions.  She stressed that she is a strong supporter of the SAP as a planning tool, but that she felt because the Council had approved a set schedule for the completion of SAPs from July 2005 to July 2007, that the Planning Board should receive Council direction before proceeding with its investigation into amending the Council-directed priority list.

            After much discussion, it was directed by the Council that any future meetings among its advisory boards and committees and their counterparts in other towns be scheduled more carefully through proper channels and with more forethought as to the necessity of those meetings.  Council encouraged the Planning Board to rely on Holly Springs planning staff for information about planning topics that concern them.

            Regardless of how the Apex meeting came about, councilmen said, they appreciated the initiative and enthusiasm of the Planning Board members.

 

             The Council and Planning Board then shifted their focus to the topic of SAPs.

            Planning Board members said they felt that a Small Area Plan should be devised quickly for the area of Holly Springs Road and Sunset Lake Road and Holly Springs Road and Kildaire Farm Road.  The reason cited was that this area is developing quickly, and an SAP might ensure quality development along these corridors.

            Council members explained that development along major thoroughfares is going to be driven by the market, and not by planning of any type beyond what is in the Town’s 10-Year Comprehensive Growth Plan and the zoning regulations that are in place on the properties.  Council members added that parcel-by-parcel plans are not appropriate, but general land plans that identify public facilities and infrastructure are appropriate.

            Councilman Atwell said in example:  A developer of a piece of land is not going to look at a drawing on a Small Area Plan to find out what he can do with a parcel.  He is, instead, going to buy the parcel with a project in mind that he believes will be successful in the market and that will suit the Town and then he is going to approach the Town and ask permission to do it.

            Councilman VanFossen added that an SAP has to be done carefully so as not to identify parcel-by-parcel expectations of the Town.  In example, he said if the Town were to label a specific property “A” as a future site for a wastewater treatment plant and parcel “B” as a commercial use and parcel “C” as a high-density residential complex, then the values of parcels B and C shoot up.  The value for parcel A and those adjacent to it, however, would take a dive.

            Council directive on SAPs is summarized:  Members agreed that SAPs should be conducted in such a way as to not identify specific uses or even types of uses for specific properties.  Instead, an SAP should identify all acceptable uses for a general area and then forecast street, water and sewer, parking and parks and recreation locations.

 

            With the Council’s vision for SAPs determined, the Planning Board said such a plan should be devised for the developing corridor along Holly Springs Road, especially in light of the plans for the construction of the I-540 loop.  Planning Board members said they felt this roadway area should be the focus of the Town’s next SAP, especially if the Town wants to maintain a “village atmosphere.”

            Council members maintained that Commercial and Local Business zoning and the 10-Year Comprehensive Growth Plan, which identifies nodal community activity centers in this area to use as a guide in considering rezoning requests, would suffice.  They did agree that road connections throughout the Middle Creek area should be studied, and they pointed out that engineering staff is keenly aware of potential critical connections.

            They also agreed that because the I-540 Loop roadway alignment is not final and will not be finalized for a number of years, it would be futile to try to place land use designations and restrictions on properties at this time.

            Councilman VanFossen added that the “village atmosphere” is probably only realistic and appropriate for the downtown core of Holly Springs.  It is not practical to expect, he said, that all commercial development in Holly Springs is going to be of a type that would fit into the village mold.

            Council members and the Town Manager explained that the Town’s priority list for SAPs, at this time, places all gateway corridors leading into Holly Springs about fourth, behind Holly Springs Business Park (completed); downtown; the West Holly Springs Road/New Hill Road; gateways (including the Holly Springs Road corridor); and South Main Street/Hwy. 55 Bypass.

            All of these plans are scheduled for completion between July 2005 and July 2007 in the recently updated Land Use Element of the Comprehensive Growth Plan.  July 2007 through July 2009 SAPs are planned for Southwest Holly Springs and the area in the vicinity of US 1 and Hwy. 751.

            Ms. Bobber pointed out that the Land Use Element implementation program also calls for an annual review of the Land Use Element for possible adjustments to the schedule, at the discretion of the Town Council.

            Planning Board members questioned if no development was taking place Downtown, why was this area a priority.

            The Town Manager explained that because no development was taking place Downtown is exactly why a SAP should be done.  Before development begins to take place, public parking facilities need to be identified and secured; pedestrian ways need to be planned; streetscapes and other public amenities should be reserved now.  He also noted that the timing for an SAP for the Downtown area, which was previously-approved by the Town Council to take place in July 2005, is perfect in light of two large residential projects that have indicated plans to build downtown.

            He explained that the two projects – both multi-family in nature – would result in the next 2 years or so with as many as 750 new residents living in the Downtown Holly Springs area within a few blocks of Town Hall.  This much residential concentration will attract business; businesses will need parking; customers and patrons will need sidewalks; the cultural center and library also will impact the Downtown area, he added.

            Planning Board members agreed that the Downtown SAP seemed to be more critical than they originally thought, but said they did not know about the two multi-family projects.  They said it would be beneficial if they were more informed of this type of pending development.

           

            After much discussion, it was determined that a major concern of the Planning Board is increased communication between the Planning Board and town staff by meetings held before or after the regular Planning Board meetings, or with additional information provided in their meeting packets.

            The Planning Board also requested that staff increase information provided to the Planning Board on the Town’s long-range planning and start providing staff reports on town capital improvement projects.

            In closing the discussion on SAPs, the Planning Board asked the Council to keep an open mind to the idea of moving the Holly Springs Road corridor up on the priority list of SAPs, ahead of some of the others that are scheduled before the gateways.

            Council members maintained that SAPs are probably most effective in areas where the market is not going to so strongly dictate what development occurs.  At this time, they said, they were not inclined to change the Land Use Element of the 10-Year Comprehensive Growth Plan that was just updated.  (The Implementation Phase of the plan lists the SAPs that are to be conducted and when.)

            They did, however, say they would keep the SAP topic – for all areas – alive for discussions at its future planning retreats.

 

            In closing the meeting, Council members said they were appreciative of the efforts of the Planning Board and explained that the role the Planning Board historically has played is simply to review plans and recommend approval, denial or suggestions for improvements to the Council.  They said they welcomed a new enthusiasm and would remain open to suggestions, so long as members of the Planning Board made those suggestions in keeping with a shared vision with the Town Council.

            Planning Board members pointed out that this would be much easier for them if they knew precisely what the Council’s vision is.

            The Planning Board requested quarterly joint meetings with the Town Council, with the next one to be scheduled within the next three months; that the Planning Board’s minutes be added to the Town’s website; that the Planning Board be provided with the Town’s infrastructure plans; and that as development plans come in to Town Hall and a time is reached when it would be appropriate to share the information with those other than staff, that the Planning Board be among those who receive the information.

            All agreed that these requests were reasonable and would improve the Planning Board’s supporting role of the Town Council.

 

Adjournment:  There being no further business for the evening, the March 30, 2005 special meeting of the Holly Springs Town Council was adjourned at approximately 10 p.m. following a motion by Councilman Dickson, a second by Councilman VanFossen and a unanimous vote.

 

Respectfully Submitted on Tuesday, May 3, 2005,

 

 

 

 

 

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Joni Powell, CMC

Town Clerk